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  response to  DirtyFiveThirty's post Not Kidding

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  A living being has self awareness, and as such is the subject of his or her own life. Plants react to stimuli, but they are not self aware. They cannot make choices about themselves or their environment. Plants are not beings.

  Instead of making rash assumptions, think about it. As the subject of one's own life, one should not be made into an object for others. Rather than put cows on life support or give chickens every advantage of modern medicine, they should not be owned, bred, commodified, and sold. Human and non-human beings should be free to experience their lives on their own terms, unless they are causing harm to others.

  Got it? If not, try reading animal rights theory as explained by Lee Hall and Joan Dunayer, and see if you can dispute it. (I don't mean PeTA and all that other nonsense that really has nothing to do with animal rights theory.)

  As for 'quality of life', I think that's a decision you have a right to make for yourself, and under some circumstances, for dependents. Outside of that, the decision should be one's own.

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  Commented on March 30, 2008 by - YouGotaBKidding

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  response to  amwin's post Guess Who's Coming As Dinner?

  Rationalizations abound

  "What do the animals want to do the most? What are their natural desires and can I fulfill [their desires] and grow them for food at the same time?"

  Answer: Of course not. One of their most personal and inherent desires is their own well being, and that of their offspring. Obviously, killing them does not validate that-- it is a complete denial of their most basic interest in themselves.

  No matter how "compassionately" farm animals are treated, sooner of later they'll be on death row. It's a pretense to suggest this is humane-- "humane slaughter" is an oxymoron.

  Non-human animals are living beings-- they are not plants to be grown.

  There's no way to preserve the "animal's way of life" under human control because domestication, selective breeding, and sytematic killing are artificial.

  "Clean" meat has nothing to do with compassion for animals. Neither can small farms supply a nation of meat eaters.

  As for the notion God put animals on earth because "they taste good",

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  Commented on March 29, 2008 by - YouGotaBKidding